Tuesday, October 13, 2009

Why: Self Control

There are a few topics I'd like to discuss with you all via email or comments, like we did with the "what women want"/beauty issue. This is the second installment of my Why? series. The first one was a doozy and I'm pretty sure I lost a lot of readers over it. Sigh. If I didn't lose you and you just stopped posting comments, let me know. I still have people pleasing issues, can'tcha tell? Anyway, the first Why? was challenging and caused us to think outside the American 'box', so I figured I'd go ahead and continue with that pattern.

I have a question to ask you:

Do you believe that Christians are called to demonstrate self-control?
in all areas of their lives?
just some areas?
just sometimes?

Why or why not?

Update Below:

Here are some of my thoughts… that will lead to discussions on other topics. I promise. And I really do want to hear your thoughts. To discuss this.

I believe Christians are called to demonstrate self-control. There is no way we can do it perfectly, of course, but we are to submit in obedience to try. I believe this is for all areas of life. Most Christians would agree that self-control is a part of the gig.

But I’m bothered with by an attitude regarding a specific area where Christians seem to think they can ignore the idea of self-control: intimacy with one’s spouse. They want to do what they’d like, when they’d like to. The thing is, they don’t want the natural consequences of such behavior. Is that self-control? Or is that selfishness?

Now, I know that there are times when a woman could die if she conceived and/or carried a baby. I know that. Having a procedure done to prevent a death is different than having a procedure done to prevent a life. The heart attitudes are different. One is seeking to protect, the other is seeking to serve self.

God is always most concerned about our heart attitudes. This is true in all areas of our lives. My topic has two sides: the heart attitude about self-control and the heart-attitude regarding children. I know this. Right now, I’m just asking you to look at the self-control side of the topic. Another day for the other topic.

I know some people would disagree about abstaining during certain times because of the belief that a person should be willing to conceive anytime, but I do not think it’s wrong to abstain if you and your spouse’s hearts are in the right place. If your hearts are set on Him and not your own view of life, children and circumstances.

But… to have an attitude of, “We’re done. (insert # here) is just great. So, I’m getting ‘the clip-clip’ or having my tubes tied”, does that attitude display the desire to demonstrate self-control? I won’t even get into the topic that if you’ve prayed about and you believe God has confirmed your family size, then doesn’t that mean you won’t conceive any more any way? That’s for another post. (See, I told you it would lead to other discussions.)

Right now, I’m asking you to seriously consider self-control. Christians are called to live by it. That means all areas. Just as we would never say that if a Christian eats whatever they want, whenever they want (showing no self-control), they should not have to live with the consequences of that, or a Christian can say whatever they want, whenever they want, how can we say that a Christian can be intimate whenever they want and have no consequences of that? We say that unmarried Christians should not have that attitude, right? Do we think that it is only because they are having sex outside of marriage? Could another part of the problem be the lack of self-control? How can Christians make an area exempt just because they are married? Why is that ok?

As I was about to post my thoughts, two thoughts hit me:
1) lots of women don’t know when they are fertile. It would require them to learn their bodies and their cycle and pay attention. This lesson in learning your body, though, can reap benefits: you can know when you are fertile and when you are not, you can know something is wrong before your doctor can, you can know when ‘the change’ is starting, you can see God’s character of order displayed in the design of a woman’s body.

2) My testimony shows (if you’ve been reading my blog for awhile) that even through watching and knowing your body, pregnancies can still happen when you thought you were avoiding. In the case of someone who is avoiding due to serious medical concerns, a secondary method that does not destroy what God created may be an answer. Another answer may be to show further restraint in avoiding for longer time periods to stay within the non-fertile days. In the case of someone who was ‘sure’ they were done, could this be God’s way of showing you that you misunderstood Him?

Ok… please share your thoughts.

11 comments:

Best Life said...

It's probably just me, but I don't understand what you are asking. Lisa~

The Hayes Zoo said...

HI Gfg!!

I believe very strongly that Christians SHOULD live lives that are self-controlled. I remember the moment and the day that I realized self-control was a fruit of the spirit! Boy did that every cause a major lightbulb moment, not to mention a major cramp in my choices in certain areas. :)

Jesus talks about it. Jesus demonstrated it constantly. Paul reminds us of it in living lives in accordance with scripture. (Are you looking for Chapter and verse kind of references???)

I don't think it's a 'sometimes' kind of call either.

Oh and in case you were wondering - I DON'T always demonstate it either....gosh darn, I am so far from perfect in so many areas.

TexasHeather said...

My gut level reaction is YES. Of course. Because the Bible says so. It is, after all, a fruit of the Spirit, so if we are living according to Him, led by Him, we will demonstrate self-control.

BUT

I think there is one exception, and I think scripture backs me up on this: Worship. How we relate to God, and to others in His name.

Over and over in the gospels, we see examples of people who are not very "self-controlled" as the world defines it, and yet they are praised for same.

Exs: the woman who poured out the perfume on Jesus' feet; Mary, neglecting the chores to spend time with her Lord, the woman who, in a fit of impulse and faith, grabbed Jesus' hem. The men who cut through a roof to get to Jesus. Jesus himself, ignoring "self control" and "rules" to heal on the sabbath.

In relation to God, we are meant to be "Spirit Controlled" I think, not "self controlled," even if it goes against the norms of the world.

In relation to temptations, we are to be self-controlled, as even Jesus was when tempted in the desert, and as he admonished his followers to be many times.

(Peter and the soldier's ear; the disciples, ready to call down fire on the Samaritan city when the Samaritans rejected Jesus; the money changers in the temple; Jesus admonished all of these)

So, in all areas of our lives? Nope. All but worship and relating to others in Jesus' name.

all the time? Yes, in those areas where we're meant to be so.

Is it easy? no way, no how. I am not the best at this, not at all. I am speaking to myself as much or more than to anyone else in this comment. Definitely a work in progress.

But those are my thoughts, for what they're worth.

Beach said...

Amen to so far from perfect in so many areas...me too. I think we are called to self control as Christians. Being the sinner I am, I do not always pull it off that is for sure! I know that once I gave my life to Christ being able to do it became much easier. I know there are so many times I hold my tongue exercising that self control....some days it is really really hard!!!!
(Not sure if I answered this the way you were looking for but I tried)
Hugs, :) Heather

Heather said...

Wow...I'm the 3rd Heather on here, just realized that (or do you have more lurking around? ha!)...I agree completely with TexasHeather. In fact...were you in my bible study today, TexasHeather? I'm pretty sure you must have been, word for word, lol!

TexasHeather said...

I have honestly never looked at this issue as an issue of self-control. I've heard various arguments for obedience & faith (the whole, if you trust God then you must trust Him even in this...), the idea that any time we come together we should be willing to conceive, etc. Frankly, I've never found those backed up with sufficient scripture to my mind, and have always countered with good stewardship arguments/scripture.

I have never thought of it as an area of self-control, and that certainly puts it in a different light. I will have to ponder that.

I think my other questions go in your next post when you get to the heart towards children bit.

OH -- and thank you for mentioning those who really can't/shouldn't conceive due to medical reasons. Many times I've heard people say that's no excuse, so it's nice to hear you acknowledge it.

Watching this with interest and a prayerful heart. (and Heather #3, no that wasn't me in your Bible study; I'm actually in Brazil)

Dawn @ P.S.He loves you.. said...

Self ~ control is one of the fruits of the Spirit..so without Him you really can't decide anything can you?

I'm thankful that His leading in my marriage/life has brought us to the other Fruits of HIS spirit as well..Peace, Love, Joy, Faithfulness,Gentelness,Kindness,Patience, Goodness..

While I see that HE is at work in each of us ..it is to HIS glory not ours that we do or do not make such choices as you listed.

Luke said...

Okay, now that I see more where you're coming from, I've got a couple thoughts... but they're off the top of my head and so therefore could probably use a lot of refining and will be much improved by others:

1. Christians are called to be self-controlled (that's clearly Biblical).

2. We are also called to enjoy life (that's also Biblical... to the point the Bible says--while talking about what I call a "party tithe": "... bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household..." ...catch that: Lusteth after (even strong drink). So, yes: Self-control, but also letting loose when we're rejoicing before God.

3. Therefore, I think it's an interesting tension between rejoicing with your spouse in intimacy and being self-controlled.

However...

I think what you discuss are really two different things: Self-control has to do with not allowing your passions/wants to drive you. Family planning has to do with the size/shape your family takes. These two issues can and do interact... but no more than any other issue (like eating, or wearing clothes, or going to church). So, I don't see this as much about self-control.

Okay. I'm just going to post this. Again: I'm sorry I haven't spent more time thinking this through, but off-the-top comments are often good for discussion because they're easier to poke holes in [smile].

~Luke

Grateful for Grace said...

Luke- I always appreciate you chiming in. Truly.
I do think there is more than one side to this issue, but the reason I *do* think self-control is a part of the issue is because of the comments people have made about why they are getting 'fixed'. They have said, "We don't want to get pregnant again. We don't want to have to worry about it." and such. Worrying about it, almost always implies thinking about when conception would occur and then having to decide behavior during that time. They don't want to abstain/show self-control. They could still enjoy being married during that time, in many ways.

TexasHeather said...

GfG, it's funny you mention those comments, 'cause as I read Luke's note, I thought, "Exactly!" and then I read your note and laughed -- because I've said/used that exact phrase. I don't want to be tied to a chart or a calendar -- or, more honestly, I don't trust myself to be in charge of my fertility in that manner. For me there is more at stake than just a child-to-be, but it does boil down to this: I don't trust myself or my husband to be self-controlled enough to avoid a pregnancy with no back-up measures.

Still -- I'm still pondering on if we are in fact called to self denial (which I think is different than self control) during our fertile times if we wish not to be pregnant.

I am just not certain if the matter of family planning boils down ONLY to the matter of self control, or if there is more to it than that. Really looking forward to more discussion on this.

Autumn Beck said...

hmmm...well I agree much with Luke in that I don't see self-control as the word I would use in this area.

It saddens me that this topic always brings up so much emotion (not necessarily here but in the real world). It's a decision made b/w a husband and wife and needs no input from "well meaning" advisers.

I respect one families decisions (if they told me what they were) as much as I pray they'll respect mine...

which is to accept blessings from the Lord for as long as He'll give them. And I do have "the idea that any time we come together we should be willing to conceive" mentality ;)